Swami X Interview


By Suzy Williams

Swami X, The Guru of the Boardwalk, has been entertaining and enlightening crowds on the beach for years. The Swami would stand on a bench, weaving , gesticulating and waving sheets of poetry, regaling and sometimes shocking listeners, commenting on current events and on personalities from Nixon to Zsa Zsa Gabor. His white hair and beard, distinctive features and authoritative yet melodious voice became a favorite and signature part of the community. And Swami ‘s serious commentaries always ended with a good laugh.


Suzy Williams: Welcome, Swami X! First of all, how would you describe yourself?

Swami X: How would I describe myself?

SW: Would you say you were a comedianphilosopher, or what?

Swami: Well, I’m listed in Who’s Who as “What the fuck is that?”. The man whose mother is still suing his father for ill-founded and meaningless entry. The man who leaps from tall buildings into small moist boxes. Roman Polanski’s spiritual advisor. Dr. Ruth’s gynecologist. Ted Kennedy’s lifeguard. Ronald Wilson Reagan (666)’s faithful Indian guide. Boy George II Bush’s pornographer. The man who taught Charlie Manson leadership and sensitivity. Ed McMahon premature elocution and ejaculation.

SW: You taught him that?

Swami X: That took a long time. He wasn’t the best student in the world, I’ll tell you that. Adolf Hitler, I taught him small talk and tap dancing. Richard Nixon, comedy and bombing.

SW: Pleased to meet you. I think I guessed your name! Swami, where did you get your name, Swami X?

Swami X: Well, my Swami name is Sivananda. When I came out to the West Coast, for a couple of years,in the sixties I was sending materials into the underground papers as Swami Sivananda. But they kept calling me the wrong name, like Swami Swananundi, Swami Shoomoonrapu, Swami Valtarooni, so I just thought, OK, I’ll just call myself Swami X. And then all the charlatans started coming over here, all these guys who were posing as Perfect Masters and trying to make a buck and fuck somebody’s girlfriend. So I thought, well, I’ll just drop out technically, unofficially and call myself X-Swami X.

SW: And then you strunked it back down to Swami X?

Swami X: Well, in the papers, they would err and call me Y Swami Y.

SW: Why, Swami, why?

Swami X: I realized that there’s nothing you can do about the media. If you’ve ever had a personal story done on you, even if they mean well, they’re going to screw the story up. If you’re looking for truth in the media, it’s a mission impossible.

SW: Oh, oh. Well, you can look at this typed-up interview before it goes to print, and see if you approve of it.

Swami X: Do whatever you want with it. But that would be my hesitation- that people would edit it so that it would be a misrepresentation.

SW: Well, alright. Now, what is your present state of mind?

Swami X: Well, I just had a fantastic breakfast that I’m still working on, and I could just drop dead right now and I’d be ahead of the game.

SW: Now, Swami, where are you from?

Swami X: Philadelphia. City of Brotherly Incest.

SW: (Laughs) So you went on a spiritual quest before you went on a comic quest?

Swami X: Well, the truth is that when I was twelve years of age, my mother separated from my father and a month later, we had to get rid of our dog, some new neighbors moved in and our dog started chewing up their dog, and I thought , “What is this? First my mother and then my dog?” and so I took a vow of silence. I would just say yes, no and I don’t know. And I started carrying a Brazil nut, pointing it to people. It was my way of saying “Nuts to you”. And this went on for three months, and then there was this party at our house with kids my age, about 8 of them and 4 or 5 adults, and then I started to talk and then I started to make jokes, and I’m doing pratfalls, and I’m doing wordplay, and...that was my re-entry into humanity, and on a subjective, inner level I started wanting to be a comedian. And then after that, I started being obsessed with comics on the radio, and there was a comic at a local Burlesque house, around 1940, and I remember I nailed this guy on stage from the audience.

SW: At age fifteen you were funnier than the guy onstage.

Swami X: Well, I was getting over on him. Yes, my father was a cop, so they didn’t arrest me, but the usher told me to be cool.

SW: So who did you listen to?

Swami X: Oh, Fred Allen, Jerry Lewis. Those great comedy shows. And the serials, like I Love A Mystery. As did Lenny Bruce, because we’re the same age.

SW: Who are your favorite comics?

Swami X: Right now, David Cross. And his buddy, Bob Abernathy. And I love Redd Foxx. And Jackie Mason.

SW: He’s still happening

Swami X: He’s still doing his thing at 73 or 74.

SW: And Carlin?

Swami X: Yeah, I did his chart one time. He’s positively brilliant. He writes all his own stuff. He’s getting heavier and heavier.

SW: I felt when I saw him that he doesn’t like people. The average Joe, he seems to hate. Letterman is another one like that.

Swami X: I don’t think either one of them really do hate people. But that’s the formula for their humor. Like Don Rickles. You say, “Man, this guy is obnoxious.” But Don Rickles on a personal level is a very sweet guy.

SW: Now, Swami, what attracted you to Venice Beach?

Swami X: Well, you’ve heard about LSD. I broke with the ashram, and got a VW bus and identified with the hippies here. It was 1971. That was about the time Nixon spent all this bread to cut off recalcitrant students around the country in the hot spots… Berkeley, Madison, and NYU... And my political contribution was to make people laugh, because if you make people laugh you can make them think.

SW: You were on the beach from about…

Swami X: ‘71 to about ’84, and during and after that I went back and forth and did Washington Square in New York and I did Hyde Park in London for six months.

SW: Did you always prefer to play the streets?

Swami X: I would welcome a shot inside, in fact in Seattle and Portland I worked in bars and clubs. The freaks moved up there, in fact that was one of the highlights of my comedy career, getting encores from those people, just working off the top of my head. Yeah, I could work the inside, I could play the big rooms.

SW: But you didn’t feel like working the Improv and all those places.

Swami X: I worked the Improv and The Comedy Store, but coming off the street I was a little raw language-wise.

SW: But you found the Venice audience to be the greatest audience in the world.

Swami X: Anybody who works inside, and then works the streets obviously must love people…. And Venice people at that time, especially …are very special to me.

SW: Ah, yes, yes. What rituals or routines do you use to inspire yourself to perform?

Swami X: I used to pray every day that I would get laughs! I worked out a formula, an approach to going on, your attitude; the humility has to be there, the confidence has to be there and the love of the people has to be there. Because real confidence and real humility go together. People sometimes think they’re opposites , but they’re not opposite at all because real humility is based on confidence. To really be humble, you have to be very secure. Vulnerability is very tough. So if there’s any ego there, the audience knows it in fifteen seconds. They feel where you are coming from.

To be continued...

Posted: Wed - January 1, 2003 at 08:36 PM          


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